Also the point about girls being dumped in places frequented by hunters. DELPHI, Ind. "Today is not a day to celebrate," Superintendent of the Indiana State Police Doug Carter said. Carroll County judge recuses himself in Delphi murders. Delphi murders:What we know and don't know 5 years after Abby and Libby were killed. The search continued Tuesday morning, Valentine's Day, along the trails and the creek. A public court hearing will be set to determine if the documents, including the affidavit in the case, will remain under seal. We also believe that he never lost them in the first place, and they were probably in his pocket the whole time. I have thought flora & Delphi are connected ever since I learned of the Flora Fire. He catfished them by pretending to be a cute 19 year old boy. Ronald Logan died Jan. 24, 2022. For years, Becky Patty, Libertys grandmother, has posted a photo on Facebook every day in memory of the girls, usually with the words Today is the day in the image. Police have quizzed Kegan Kline over his correspondences with Libby German, a transcript leaked by Murder Sheet earlier this year revealed. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. How many teams were present and which team found the girls? Any theories? No one else has come close to uncovering the amount and quality of information we have, and almost the entire community rejects our findings even though they are correct. The people paying Hughes and Greeno clearly feel that they are getting their moneys worth. The pre-hearing courtroom chatter grew quiet as deputies led Allen into the courtroom from a back door. He tells off women in passive-aggressive hostile posts. I think I read about that case! They supplied each others alibi, technically, without saying CSI guy is a suspect. The team member said that SPM1 corroborated everything that she had told me, so she is at least consistent in her testimony. That stuffed animal is sitting right next to the body of poor Abby. 'Today is the day': Update to Delphi murders of Libby and Abby announced by ISP, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. There were no stuffed animals in trees. Searcher Eric Williams speaks after nearly six years of no justice. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. However, the agent said, These statements were found to be factually false and intentionally designed to deceive LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers).. Support the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! Your email address will not be published. The main suspect and the CSI guy. Becky Patty reflected on the importance of Monday's announcement, speaking steadily and calmly, telling reporters she had envisioned a different reaction. Gray makes over $100,000/year from his podcasts, which is fine by me. We have no idea. Basically nobody in town except a few people who dont like him thinks he did it. (WLS) -- There is a new push for information four years after police found teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams dead, in Delphi, Indiana. "That is accurate," Becky Patty said. I've always wondered about the specific search party that found the girls'. 0:04. You realize that we have a detective in Indiana who told us that Mr. X is LEs main suspect in this case, right? Exactly. This young lady is a hero, theres no doubt, Indiana State Police Sgt. Did anyone from the families join the search party? On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German were discovered off a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The two best friends went missing while on a hike through the historic trails Delphi, Ind. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, http://www.pharostribune.com/news/local_news/article_031b521c-f2e3-11e6-a249-a77587cb24f9.html. "While theres somebody thats been arrested, our lives for five and a half years have been in a search mode and thats what weve done. Our police sources told us that Mr. X is indeed the main suspect. She said police hadn't contacted her about the search but had been for other significant developments. New information about the murders of Delphi eighth graders Liberty German and Abigail Williams became public Monday, and police have a man in custody. But does that mean that they are kosher slaughterhouses? Yeah thats not our information. You would think that a bunch of dolls hanging from the trees and stuffed animals would draw a lot of attention to the killzone if not at night then at least when the lights came back on. Hi Robert. They had been keeping this a secret for all this time, but this secret was starting to bother her and eat away at her, so she released it to a member of my team, a woman. I get accused of that all the time on here, as I pretty much lay my life out pretty bare and naked on here. "I literally have no clue how that girl died; I don't know anything, anything to do with it," he told cops. Greenos videos are almost completely worthless, and group members who have spoken to him told me he has nothing new to add to the case. He tells off women in passive aggressive hostile posts. Watch on. Its very (as the kids say) cringe.. Allen's attorney, Bradley Rozzi, argued in favor of releasing the documents. I wonder if they got IDs of everyone in it or names(obviously he could give a fake one) because wouldnt they know who wasnt local or acted odd or just be able to look into them all to be safe. The river is roughly 40 miles from whereLibby and Abby were killed and around two miles from theKline family home. According to prosecutors, Kline used a bogus social media profile with the username "anthony_shots" to contact and illicit nude photographs from numerous underage girls. I havent seen this stuff. Validated through one of your LE sources? Speculation has mounted that Kline may be working on a plea deal with prosecutors, though it's still unknown if the search is related to his child porn case or the Delphi murders. What if he's full of s**t? Is there any chance the Police Officer NM was murdered and it was made to look like suicide? A very popular one is the observation that if the crime scene was this insane, it would have leaked out by now. This is especially important with the heinous murders of Abby and Libby. Robert Lindsay, Independent Journalist: l Talk about Things You're Not Supposed to Talk About. It seems odd. LE did not say it was over by 3 pm-ish. I see a stocking hat behind the head. For more information, please see our Would that indicate they (Abby and Libby) were put there after the search was called off? I suspect he was breeding pitbulls for dogfighting. Theyre kept their main suspect pretty secret until Leaker showed up. We share similar philosophies. I live on a fixed income which is barely above the poverty level. 187 5.6K views 2 years ago THE DELPHI MURDERS - THE SEARCH (MINDSHOCK TRUE CRIME PODCAST CLIPS) Breaking down the search in the case. One of the only early clues to their killing was a video Libby took on her phone, capturing a man approaching them, who then could be heard telling the girls to go "down the hill. It describes his activity the day the girls went missing. Of course he knew who they were. This is also a problem because brains go everywhere and this is probably how those prion diseases like Mad Cow disease are spreading. Perhaps its a violation of social rules, but thats not in the DSM yet. Contact her at rfradette@indystar.com or follow her on Twitter at @Rachel_Fradette. I too wondered about foul play. A rose will bloom, it then will fade. Almost yours: 2 weeks, on us 100+ live channels are waiting. The two SPMs discussed above have both told us that LE told them not to tell anyone what they had seen at the crime scene. It was unclear Monday whether Allen has an attorney. However, realize firstly as vast as that wooded area was, RLs property when you zoom out isnt the most ideal place to hide a body, being so close to the cemetery. Crews were being sent out 10 to 12 people at a time to help cover an area of 20 to 25 square miles, Leazenby said. Small beak. Which brings me to the question, why not donate to our enterprise here? Police initially believed the. What do we do next. Clear as day. Here in Gary, about two years ago, a special needs woman and a toddler she lived with went missing. Good job! They may have if they'd known the girls had been killed, but remember that until they found the bodies the worst they were prepared for was finding the girls badly injured or dead from exposure. On a day off from school Monday, Feb. 13, 2017, the teens Liberty, 14, and Abigail, 13 embarked on a hike after a sleepover the night before at Libby's house. He was pretty young and had a lot of children. I think this is one of the essential clues in both cases. Thanks for your work and your blog. Who said there were stuffed animals at the crime scene? Richard Allen, 50, was charged with the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi, Ind., in February 2017. Allen, who entered a preliminary plea of not guilty, was sent to the White County Jail without bond. Nice guy! DELPHI, Ind. The police didn't take them seriously at the very beginning. You dont think there were stuffed animals at the crime scene? There were dolls hanging from trees. Delphi Murders Walkthrough via CrimeDoor The girls failed to meet Libby's father at the appointed time of 3:15 pm. I dont even know what that means. "If he is leading us on another wild goose chase, then that would be gut-wrenching.". The arrest of Allen comes nearly six years after Libby and Abby were murdered. Abby Williams, 13, and Liberty "Libby" German, 14, had gone for a. They are asking that anyone who recognizes the man in this photo to call the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at 765-564-2413, the Delphi Police Department at 765-564-2345 or the Indiana . Five years ago today, in Delphi, Ind., two best friends, Abigail Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, went missing while on a hike through the city's . He loves the outdoors, but for all his pictures of creeks, bridges, and tents, I havent seen any camo-wearing, rifle-carrying hunting pics that are standard for the FB pages of small town guys who hunt. I mean, surely folks would know if a well-known, local who became a POI was in on the search? As the search for Abby Williams and Libby German ends at a crime scene, the reality of what's happened is worse than anyone could have imagined. Yes, thats one thing I am not sure about. We also have it from two separate search party members independently that they were told to not tell anyone what they had seen. Moments after multiple law enforcement agencies announced the arrest of Richard Allen, 50, in the 2017 killings of Delphi teenagers Libby German and Abby Williams, the. He posts that while at a restaurant, he observed what he decided is a man touching his kids inappropriately. I will say that the one thing that is certainly proven about Mr. X is that he is suspicious. We have people in the police who talk to us. Great Summary! As you can see in the subhead of my title, I am challenging my critics about their certainty that there was no stuffed animal left at the crime scene. They force his wife to abandon their house.. Also and this constantly nags at me, if LE really has one person, Mr X, in mind but just cannot resolve his alibi, wouldnt that name get around in a small town? I read somewhere an account by a search party member from the night before, that one of the search party organizers prevented his group from searching the actual crime scene by saying you all cant go here, its been searched already. These two SPMs arrived at these conclusions independently. | ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. Indiana State Police. The Murder Sheet Podcastwas first to publish the transcript of an Indiana State Police interview with Kline, where he admitted having contact with Libby German and suggested police had told him he failed a polygraph test about the murders. Not unless they were in a relationship for 2+ years and he got a tattoo of her, which I find unlikely, as Libby would only have been about 13/14 back in 2015/2016. Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen, 50, was involved in a domestic incident in June. Because the conditions of two men being alone with each other and out of sight of others for a significant period of time are pretty narrow. Example, women think they got game, they dont.. That sort of thing. Not validated via LE, but its a popular rumor that police officer NM was the one supplying the apparently fake alibi for Mr. X. Rozzi rhetorically asked. The original female search party member (SPM1) also spoke independently with another member of my team, a woman. Thank you. This makes me think of the dolls and stuffed animal left at the scene. And the new one we just talked to is saying that she was told not to tell anyone, but the scene was bugging and eating away at her so much that she just had to spill finally. Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders HLN True Crime 3.7 10.4K Ratings; Abby and Libby - 2 young girls murdered. Hi Robert. Our understanding also is that he never even called her to have her bring the keys. Would you consider writing a post on him? On Sunday, Patty posted a photo of Liberty near a pool, a beach towel tied around her like a cape with the caption: Fitting., After Mondays news conference, Kelsi German, Libertys sister, said in a tweet: Oct. The latter seems to make most sense, but leaves the question to why the CSI guy lied to everyone, including his colleagues. LE? That bear appears to be a Valentines stuffed animal! He actually thinks women are going for bad men and leaving nice guys and good men like him alone. And lets keep that open out there, keep that flowing, keep the information coming in.". The inevitable questions arise. Why else do you think Carter would have said those things? In other words, its now proven that more than one stuffed animal was left at the scene. We must trust their sources and investigative techniques. WISH-TV was the first to break the story connecting Kline to the Anthony Shots social media profile in Dec. 2021. Thats one theory we are looking at. The basics of personal finance, like How to save for a house. Figure out your next step toward financial freedom. in which I've ever, thankfully, have had to witness anything so utterly horrible. Id assume the kind that is foggy? Gray makes over $100,000/year from his podcasts, which is fine by me. "For now, to me, it's about protecting the integrity of this case.". Allen shuffled his way to the defense table wearing a yellow jumpsuit, a black ballistic vest and his hands awkwardly chained to his chest left over right. Also Thursday, the Indiana Department of Correction said Richard Allen, who has been charged with murder in the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German, has been moved to one of their facilities. Im not sure how they phrased it of they told, ordered or threatened them to not reveal what they saw. Breaks my heart that the family had to try so hard to get help. I would have thought that the name would have been accidentally leaked in town to let the families handle it if LE is unable to. After. Prosecutors fueled speculation during Tuesday's hearing that Richard Allen was not alone when they allege he killed Libby German and Abby Williams in early 2017. One reason this particular homicide case came to national attention is the haunting cell phone and social-media clues the girls left behind. "It certainly seems like it could be significant, but as to what it pertains to, I don't have a clue," said Carrie. Were going to keep pushing all the way. In addition, SPM2 also reported the same dolls hanging from trees that SPM1 report. VERY strange indeed. Now I sit here not needing to do it because at long last we have a face to go with our monster, Patty wrote Saturday in a Facebook post. Supt. The investigation is ongoing and open, various authorities reiterated during the news conference. Investigators were seeking a judges permission to search the propertyof Ronald Logan, who owned the land where the two girls were found dead. Inside Carroll County courtroom, reporters, sketch artists and the public packed the courtroom as dozens of police officers stood watch over the crowd and Allen. He boasts hed like to beat the guy up even if it means incarceration. That Monday afternoon, the two ventured onto the trail around the Monon High Bridge. I could go on and on. "Yeah, that is a weird a** coincidence that I happened to talk to her like I get that.". So how did you get the crime scene photo?? 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