He was humble and relied on God, and was granted many victories over Israels enemies. Things started to go downhill over time however, as Saul became presumptuous and arrogant; he ignored several direct commands of God, and the last straw came when he interfered in offering a sacrifice to God, in direct contravention of what hed been told to do. Deuteronomy 19:7-10 Therefore I command you, saying, 'You shall separate three cities for yourself.' God!before the Lordin Gibeah of Saul. Now, if they participated in his sin, then of course, they will bear the guilt for their participation in that sin. Vote Up David did not make any counter demands. Why didnt Abraham bargain with God when it came to Isaac being offered as a burnt offering like he did when it came to Sodom and Gomorrah? You do not know. It was not just Saul, but other members of his family. There was justice that was going to take place. If the Gibeonites brought guile and deceit into the land; it was Saul who set the example for deep and devastating The famine was a punishment for Sauls violation of the covenant, made with the Gibeonites back during the days of Joshua. SERIES INTRODUCTION The Bible does not provide us the details of this killing. WebSaul, Israel's first king thought he knew better than God. Other Translations for 2 Samuel 21:1 Discussion for 2 Samuel 21 View All When asked about the time of the end; when questioned about the signs that would precede His Second Coming, our blessed Lord instinctively cautioned: "Take heed that no man deceive you." The soul who sins shall die. I think he was very low. After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. However, we have a great deal of trouble identifying with or understanding pure, innocent and perfect Galahad. Without checking out their story; without surveying the geographical situation; most of all, without consulting the Lord and waiting for His guidance, Joshua went impulsively ahead and signed a binding, lasting agreement with the Gibeonites. But so did David. He needed God to forgive him. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. Perhaps if I go and kill all the Gibeonites like Joshua was supposed to do, maybe God will let me back into the chair.". This was a long time ago. So the king called the Gibeonites and spoke to them. When He visits the iniquity upon successive generations, He is saying is that the results and curses that come automatically often go down a handful of generations. Joshua 9:14-16 Then the men of Israel took some of their provisions; but they did not ask counsel of the LORD. Instead of warfare and bloodshed, their weapons were guile and deceit. Saul, after having disqualified He just let them walk all over him. WebSaul kills the gentile Gibeonites (2 Sam 21) & banishes mediums in preparation for Tabernacle being moved from Nob to Gibeon. He committed colossal sins that whole nations would be held in contempt for. It must have been a satisfactory solution from Gods point of view, because he sent the rain on the land after the measures had been taken. EVIL'S ULTIMATE END. However, there was a difference between Israel's version and the Gentiles' principle of vengeance or retribution. Because he may have been still depressed by Absalom's death. Back to the Gibeonitesmost people probably did not remember it. Certainly, after three years you would. This is pretty clear. He does not seem to have asked the priest who would know the law the best to find out what Scripture said about situations like this. Share And it very seriously affected his judgment in this matter. Then they asked for a king, and God gave them Saul son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. It comes as a snare, Christ says, on everybody. Now if the LORD your God enlarges your territory, as He swore to your fathers, and gives you the land which He promised to give to your fathers, and if you keep all these commandments and do them, which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and to walk always in His ways, then you shall add three more cities for yourself besides these three, lest innocent blood be shed in the midst of your land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, and thus guilt of bloodshed be upon you. We had before that the episode with Amnon and Tamar. 6. They were probably in middle age, 45-60. This incident appears in time sequence toward the end of his life. Fifty years ago was 1957. In fact, look down to verse 15, II Samuel 21:15-17 When the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David and his servants with him went down and fought against the Philistines; and David grew faint. Skeptic turned believer, Catholic, father of 3, ABC/DTS graduate, guitar music ministry Baptist church. He simply folded, giving the Gibeonites everything they wanted. The Gibeonites joined in the fight against the Philistines B. Would it be a good alliance to have with these people from far away?". And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). It would take three or four generations for perversion to be kicked out of a society. I know that is how I always read itas straight historyand I did not think about it very much. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. He just weakly said, "Oh okay, whatever you want. & "Take heed that you be not deceived." You might say a whole cycle of generations. He made huge errors in judgment, both personally and in a larger sense. Yes, my lord, he answered. Israel plagued by allowing the deception he put the Gibeonites to death. & "Take heed that you be not deceived." Over the years I've urged our Fellowship to check out, investigate and take to heart such biblical alarms. persecuted and killed the Gibeonites men in a covenant relationship with Israel who served at the tabernacle. He was endangering the whole army by being out there, an old man trying to fight like a young man. They did what is recalled in verses 3 through 6 above. Wherever he turned, he harassed them. However, there was not. He went after a people that God did not want exterminated anymore. Verse 1 did say that it was "Saul and his bloodthirsty house" who had massacred the Gibeonites. And the Lord said, There is bloodguilt on Saul and on his house, because he put the Gibeonites to death. 2 So the king called the Gibeonites and So he did to them, and delivered them out of the hand of the children of Israel, so that they did not kill them. When God called Saul to be king, Israel was on the verge of collapse. During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, lea Report, August 29 2022 He will not relent. THE STORY OF JOSEPH - We are starting to get some of the atmosphere around this event now. Then the men of David swore to him, saying, "You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.". The breach of contract was serious enough that God sent the famine in response. Berean Literal Bible Acts 13:21. He had to sit there and judge people with all the little things they constantly brought up to him that seemed to need his decision on. Finally, someone says to David, "Hey, did you know that Rizpah has been out on a rock for six months, sitting there day after day, protecting the corpses from birds and such, because the Gibeonites won't let her take them down and bury them? We are getting toward the end of King David's life. It is easy to read this story blithely, and to think that David righted some longstanding wrongs that had happened, and then God happily sent rain to the parched land of Israel. David didnt get the throne until Saul and Jonathon were both dead. David was anointed king many years before he took the throne. He had Saul tryin This may have only been a couple of months later. Was John the Baptist conceived via an immaculate conception? They did not inquire. WebThe Gibeonites Hang Saul's Descendants 21 While David was king, there were three years in a row when the nation of Israel could not grow enough food. In addition, his own soldiers had to tell him, "David, you just don't have it anymore. There is a very important difference. They decided to fight with the Gibeonites and teach them a lesson. Therefore, one of the first things that Joshua and the Israelites do is they allow a big problem to linger in their midst. They were probably innocent of this particular crime. Psalm 34:4-10 I sought the LORD, and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. He was not thinking spiritually. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he. Think about it. They had remembered it for 40 or 50 years. ", God answered immediately, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house. About two years ago, Barry Watson, our lone member in Namibia, wrote me an email message in which this incident was at the heart of it. David asked the Gibeonites what punishment would satisfy them and atone for (cover) Sauls sin of murder. But talk about your flawed heroes! Scripture has said this explicitly. Samuel turns away; Saul grabs at him and only catches his robe, and tears it. A snare is a trap. Exodus 21:23-25 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. There is another thing that needs to be thrown out there as a possible scenario, and this would have been the very worst and lowest that David could have sunk to. The latter believed that Saul's desire was to destroy them utterly. Jerusalem is almost directly west a few miles, but it is quite high from the Jordan to the Jerusalem. He became jealous and he went wacko, basically. You had only black and white television if you had television. They looked to Him and were radiant, and their faces were not ashamed. "Now therefore, you are cursed, and none of you shall be freed from being slaveswoodcutters and water carriers for the house of my God." And we bear the guilt with them for that. He sees the hearts of men and the hidden actions of men. That is the background on the Gibeonites, and their relationship with Israel. Then they replied, It was Saul who planned to destroy us, to keep us from having any place at all in Israel. It looks to me like he tried to work out a political solution rather than a righteous one. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. That would be a town in Benjamin just north of Jerusalem. He was tired, and wanted to get it out of the way. And it would have been done quickly and easily. Web2 Samuel 21:2 indicates that King Saul pursued the Gibeonites and sought to kill them off "in his zeal for the children of Israel and Judah" (2 Samuel 21:5). It is not the sin of Adam and Eve; it is their own sin. This is a bit unusual. There is more space given to David's flaws than anyone else in the whole Bible. This was obviously later in his life and reign. He is able to judge justly. The chronicler, herewhoever he wasis giving us a big hint that David's attention was elsewhere for three whole years. Web11 Then the king sent for the priest Ahimelek son of Ahitub and all the men of his family, who were the priests at Nob, and they all came to the king. DESTRUCTION AND CORRUPTION David was annonted by Sammuel Apr 10, 1035. It says a bit later that somebody told him what that woman was doing out there protecting the bodies of the slain men of Saul's house for the past six months and it was as though he said, "Oh really? In other words, we want them to be just like us. David was Born Mar 2, 2022 A three-year famine occurs as a result of Sauls attack on the Gibeonites Mar 2, 2022. He gives them exactly what they want, and look at what happens. And the LORD answered, "It is because of Saul and his bloodthirsty house, because he killed the Gibeonites." God says very clearly that Israel was to conquer them, destroy them, and make no covenant with them. How do other hominoids (e.g homo erectus, homo neanderthalensis, etc.) I Samuel 14:52 Now there was fierce war with the Philistines all the days of Saul. He did not perform any miracle, or any other thing to show that He was happy with the way that things turned out. So David asked the Lord for help, and the Lord answered, Saul and his family are guilty of murder, because he had the Gibeonites killed. The Gibeonites presented themselves to the invading Israelites, not as nearby neighbors, but as distant foreigners who lived in a far-off land. But, they like the dark one because he is moody, and doing things not for quite the right reasons. The Gibeonites achieved their short term goal - survival; but they paid a terribly long term price for it - virtual slavery! He was not really on the ball like he should have been. These are the two hints. Such a shame to destroy it all! If you read Psalm 51 it is very clear that he understood his own makeup. the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the God was not in all his thoughts during this time. But what actually did Saul do to the Gibeonites? Turn to Exodus 20 and see that right in the Ten Commandments it sounds like it could mean that sin does travel down the family tree. There is a difference. Except for verse 21, there is very little mention of God in the whole episode. And David sought the face of the Lord. Then, I am sure, he started to think about other things that were happening, and he started to make some reforms in himself. The "Great Debate" between Nixon and Kennedy had not occurred yet. If people grow up in a society and culture that does not have God at their beck and call, they do whatever they wantwhatever comes naturally. God isn't very pleased that these bodies have been exposed for six months against His law.". WebOne of the mothers of the men hanged by the Gibeonites protected the bodies of Saul's sons from birds and wild beasts day and night. And it happened at the end of three days, after they had made a covenant with them, that they heard that they were their neighbors who dwelt near them. Here are guidelines to help facilitate a meaningful learning experience for everyone. He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. WebThe biblical writer confirms this charge by stating that Saul tried to annihilate [ nkah, to inflict a dead blow] them (2 Sam. King David was probably huffing and puffing, "I can't lift this thing! We can't withstand them. The people of the land stand for our spiritual enemiesour human nature, this world, and Satan the Devil. Is that what happened?" What have they done? 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