There is no rule to disclose insulin dependence for a drivers license and a drivers license, not a medical certificate, is all that is required to fly as a sport pilot. As you say does nothing to hinder my ability to fly a plane in anyway, but the FAA says is not allowed, SO. Wouldn't it be nice if, when you opened up Med Expres, all the information that you had included in your last application was there for reference. Pilot organizations offer free advice to members, commercial outfits offer advice and assistance for a fee and printed resources are available. The AME is there to help you get a medical LEGALLY when you have one or more disqualifying conditions. Question 18m. An exam for a third class medical certificate with a student pilot certificate can cost between $75 and $150. Thats just BS. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. Keep in mind that the FAA receives something like 430,000 8500-8 each year. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. He went on to training pilots via simulators. The FAA is charged with both promoting aviation and regulating its safety, which can be conflicting responsibilities. 6 months and 2 weeks earlier I had one done for a Peace Corps application and sent that in, which would have been good for 2 years. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. The Aircraft Registration Branch maintains registration records on individual aircraft and serves as a repository for airworthiness documents received from FAA field offices. If you were diagnosed with ADHD when you were in school but havent taken medication or experienced symptoms in 15 years, you still are required to answer yes to question 18m. The AME Guide explains that the question pertains to unexplained unconsciousness. If successful with testing, you can then make further arguments that you do not have an aeromedically significant medical condition. But Jordan also said: 'Folks need not be overly concerned about losing their medical certificate, as we end up disqualifying very few when you look at the total number of applicants.'. | site designed by. I do medicals on two pilots who went on a vigorous diet and lost weight. Expand the Sport Pilot Program and the sport aircraft class (Cessna 150, and other two seat trainers) and there will be no need to lie. On the other hand, when I started flying and had to take a 3rd class medical, the AMI was a personal friend and knew of my hearing problems, therefore suggested we do the hearing test with an audiometer in the evening when there was less noise and confusion in the office. I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. If you do have heart disease, you would have to continue to see your Cardiologist as well as your AME to maintain your medical. See my other comment about getting a SODA. by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. I have all kinds of things happen to me and I can not possibly put them all down or even remember them. Avoid Medical Certification Delay. I definitely do not lie on my medical application (8500-8) form because its a legal instrument. Question 17 can identify for the FAA that an individual is currently taking a disqualifying medication such as Adderall, Ritalin, Concerta, Strattera, etc, commonly used to treat ADHD. The problem with the medical certification process is that on the one hand the questions are so stringent i.e. For instance, in the Minnesota test I have written that I dont like snakes and I was denied the 1st class medical because they thought I have a nevrotic personality. Why would I want to go through the unbelievable hassle of explaining myself to a bunch of know-nothing bureaucrats and internal medicine doctors who dont know their ass from their elbow about depression beyond some laughably simplistic characterization of the disorder in a diagnostics manual? Thank you for the post. If I dont tell him would the FAA find out if I never had another attack? The best advice we can give you is to visit an aviation medical examiner (AME). Theres also the issue of things that a doctor may speculate on that they have no training or qualifications to formally diagnose. 2. I used to go up about twice a week; now I havent flown since August. Have you ever been dizzy etc. Im another one that was originally honest and regrets it. An example is the FAAs recent rule change on anti-depressant use. Everyone at some point or another you all have been diagnosed with something. Cancer is ranked highest for men, With an 11.6 percent chances of getting caught lying on faa medical up to $ 200 self-reporting nature, chance. There are are more decisions that have to be made while driving than flying. its the government way. Lying on the medical is usually unnecessary in order to keep flying, and has such potentially dire consequences for ones life, family, and finances that its not worth the risk. I would love to see the third class go away, but I doubt any government agency will voluntarily give up any turf. As a 74 year old pilot, I feel that seeing the Aviation Doc every two years is good for my health. As the FAA put it, a pilot must ground themselves if they are unable to meet the requirements for the medical certificate.. If you do or don't disclose, that's your business. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. The medical only looks at your health at the point in time. You tell me how can a lighting designer be daltonic? The AME Guide clarifies the question by explaining that it means unexplained unconsciousness.. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you. Risk is a price of freedom. I do think that the First and Second class medical criteria should be more stringent. This exemption is exactly what I need to keep flying, and I am sure there are many others like me. Lie by default. The reader should always consult his or her doctor before discontinuation of any medication. Reply. The 1320 pound (600 Kg) limit is based on the European standard, I think. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. If you have vision with only one eye, you can get a Statement of Demonstrated Ability (SODA) by taking a Medical Flight Test. When that syndrome is cured, much of what is wrong at FAA will be cured. Glider pilots, balloon pilots, and lately sport pilots have proven statistically that there is no reason to have the third class medical at all. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. Governmental overkill? This is likely true for those receiving social security disability benefits as well, What Happens When the FAA gets Suspicious. I dont know for a fact other pilots lie on their medical, but pretty sure some I know do. Make no mistake: Form 8500-8 is a legal instrument, unlike many other documents. Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. I didnt lie on my Class 3 medical, was a 55 yr. old student pilot, have since been told by several older pilots that I was honest but naive. I've known guys who've cheated the system but have never heard of anyone in or close to my circle of pilot frinds who've had any aeromedical violation investigations. They always do it under the banner of safety. What does this mean? One will get a license. I was told at a young age I could not fly with one eye, but latter in life I found out I could with a medical waver. Generally, first-class is designed for the airline transport pilot; second-class for the commercial pilot; and third-class for the student, recreational and private pilot. If you cannot read the serial number plate on the airplane that just flew by you then you should not be allowed to fly. That cost me about six months of flying. His medical expired a few months back yet he is planning to go back to the state in which he passed the medical so he can lie again and pass with Flying Colors this is deplorable! I hadnt had any issues or symptoms for over 10 yrs., doctors Id seen always pronounced me fit & healthy. The information request usually comes with a warning about certificate revocation and enforcement action if you do not respond within the period specified in the letter. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. If I have a bad cold, or whatever, I will DQ myself for flight, even if such action results in a profound economic penalty for me even though I have a valid First Class Medical. When the whole 3rd class medical requirement is seen in a larger context, its absurdity can be seen. lie if you want, hell find out. The absurdity of these medicals resides in the tiny number of casualties from medical incapacitation, compared to most other activities requiring no medical. Don't undergo a physical exam if you suspect you might be disqualified. 13. Personally, I feel that if I am medically safe enough to drive then I should be safe enough to fly. Commercial pilots, or military pilots or leisure pilots may have lied during their lifetimes, but it is unfair to only single out the pilots. Additionally, I believe this would be a tremendous economic boon for the industry as a whole. I could not stop thinking about being in the air. He passed his 3rd class every time. No, most pilots have few issues. Thank you for allowing me to share. Think about what the FAA is likely to be interested in: Onset of chronic disease, like high blood pressure or type II diabetes. This is very true if you were to tell them everything that has happened to you in the past medical histories etc. Its just not opening an unnecessary can of worms. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. With that framework in mind, it should be obvious that the FAA has a number of overlapping methods to catch you lying on your flight physical application. There are folks flying with diabetes that are on insulin. Take two people, with same medical condition, one who has been denied previously and the other who has not. I lost my career as an airline pilot (major airline) and my life spiraled out of control. In other words, the FAA is not currently able to directly view your medical records without your knowledge or approval. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. BINGO! Also my flight instructor was telling me that he knew an applicant who lied about his criminal history for shoplifting and two to three months later the FAA found out and pulled his medical currently and he did not hear back for any clearance to fly again so these are great examples why not lie. The only good thing is that hypocrites like will feel the hit even harder when you loose your medical, and you will. The Dr. the agency recommended was an AMI. I know a guy from the US (cant tell his name) that told me that he has lied at least one time, he was overweight and had high blood pressure, he was medicated but he never told that in his annual. Ive been fighting to get my 3rd class for 10 years and now I think Im close to getting a special issuance. Before I was flying my previous HMO physician told me I was the perfect patient for the insurance company because I hadnt shown up for seven years. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue Jack, petition the FAA to quit demanding the maintenance of wakefulness test. Give blood, nope, they do tests on it, might find something. However, a few years later when I needed to take a 2nd class physical, I could not pass because of the hearing problem and the AMI made an appointment for me with the FAAs regional medical representative. I am not an AME but am a flying physician with long experience chairing and serving on the EAA Aeromedical Council. For example, what if one is tired or snores. I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. No he should not have been grounded. The FAA has panels of civilian medical experts for each speciality who meet regularly to review the FAA medical regulations and recommend changes based on new research. Why would you need to report that? We have a very good AME in our area. Im sorry to hear about your bad experience. However the CAA would not accept the word of the doctors at the hospital nor my own doctor and insisted I had to follow the procedure. Whether or not your AME issues your medical certificate, the FAAs Aeromedical Certification Division (AMCD) will review your application. the third class should go away. If you qualify for an FAA medical certificate, they will issue it to you at the end of your appointment, document your exam findings, and transmit your application to the FAA. Yes, they do. In this case, you can cast doubt on the original diagnosis and attempt to avoid further evaluation. On the other hand, the 3rd class questionnaire seems more like screening for If I tell the AME about this will I not get my cert that day? https://airfactsjournal-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/06180933/doctorlargesquare1.jpg, https://airfactsjournal-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/06142440/Air-Facts-Logo340.jpg, COPYRIGHT 2011-2023, SPORTSMAN'S MARKET, INC. All Rights Reserved. My guess is this would have been confirmed by and EEG. A separate authorization request is required for each record released to any third party (physician, insurance company, employer, etc.). If a question comes up about whether or not a pilot is qualified to hold an FAA medical certificate, the application itself usually does not contain enough information for AMCD to make a truly informed decision. There are more boating accident deaths (650 or so), motorcycle deaths (4500), automobile (35,000). The Great Debate: do pilots lie on medicals? So the Medical certification system is statistically, virtually, perfector..redundant AS LONG AS you are in a multi-crew aircraft. Did you answer Yes on the question and get you special issue? PER your admission the need for a medical is a mute issue I drive there for I fly. Out of those, the number of GA deaths from medical incapacitation is tiny. It is important to point out, according to the AOPA, there have been no accidents related to pilots self-certifying and flying under the Sport program, and many of those pilots Im sure, were under the same misconception as me! Emmons wait until you have an episode of situational hypertension or have to see a marriage counselor. I am 55. The information they request is typically a collection of recent medical records that address the concerns they identified in your application. Type 2 diabetes, with oral medication, receiving a special issuance every year, until this last one, when the FAA generously determined my AME could recertify me, annually, for five years. Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by Globalpilot, Oct 6, 2018. Now I prefer Wingwalking. What can some shrink tell me about myself that I dont already know? Never happens! Im not a Senior AME, Ive only been one for a year. Pilots lying on the there 1st 2nd and 3rd class medicals happens all the time, and it happens just as much as people going to MEPS for the Military. Whether or not your AME issues your medical certificate, the FAAs Aeromedical Certification Division (AMCD) will review your application. We should not be subjected to this inquisitional questionnaire in the first place. Skye, If you have not required counselling for a few years and are not taking anti-depressants you should be good to go. If you can afford to own or rent an airplane, you can afford to pay an AME. to get it straightened out. The other will not. Your email address will not be published. In other words, bigger name on the other line. I fly for a living. We can never win with you, only lose. Port St. Lucie, FL 34988 My first flightdoctor told me he was very happy about having pilots as clients. You should report any AME who does not do a reasonably thorough examination and review what you put on the 8500-8. A. These are a few of the most frequently asked questions pilots have concerning the FAA and their medical certificate. First, if youve not taken a disqualifying medication for greater than 90 days, you can potentially argue to the FAA that your underlying diagnosis was not accurate to begin with. Thank you for the help. And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. Aviation medicals protect your lifeand a periodic physical is smart. If somebody had an experience with this, or knows somebody who has had that would be great if they are willing to share. The flight surgeon is not my friend. Stan, what is the diagnosis for which you have special issuance? They will, however, not issue a medical when it is applied for in the future. What next, psych eval, cholesterol screen for atherosclerosis, denying smokers because risk of copd exacerbation in unexpected decompression, genetic screening to predict addictive personality or anger tendency? You want to be an ATP, you have two pilots. FAA needs to justify their man hours.with scapegoats. They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. My driving record is perfect, but I have been wondering if the FAA will reject my certificate because of an assault charge that happened five years ago back when I was in highschool. My father had passed his class 2 physical 3 weeks before having a massive heart attack and dieing at the ripe old age of 50. I dont remember the exact incidence of pilot incapacitations that they quote at the AME seminars, but it is extremely low. So do we really want 10+% of our commercial pilots to be flying with untreated major depressive disorders? Hey Guys as you know there is nothing private on the internet. Every child at some point decides to spin around and around until they are dizzy and fall down. From open heart surgery and stroke to PTSD and diabetes, it is possible to qualify for an FAA medical certificate with more conditions than most pilots suspect. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); All information found on medmg.org is intended for informational and educational purposes only. Wouldnt tell you if I had a peg leg and a glass eye. I was even showing a bit of talent for it and progressing very nicely towards my private pilot certificate. What the FAA is looking for are patterns of behavior that suggest pathological conditions that may lead to gross negligence or unsafe decisions regarding flying. Specifically, those questions are question 17 (the question about current use of medications), question 18m (the question about mental disorders of any sort), and question 19 (the question about visits to healthcare professionals in the past 3 years). If youre over 40 and your first-class medical is not renewed within six calendar months, itll revert to the privileges of a second-class medical for an additional six months. Can you say, Martha Stewart?, I do think that the First and Second class medical criteria should be more stringent.. I have read articles online about pilots who get caught falsifying their medical. Further more, if an airman lies and is in a serious accident with injuries or fatalities, his entire medical history will be examined and subsequent legal action may not be beneficial to his or her heirs. Headwind vs. Tailwind Whats the Difference? This is truly a Great Debate. As statistics show flying is considerably safer than any land based carrier. By comparison, about that same number of deaths a year are caused by lightning strikes or even falling out of bed. Auto correct makes illiterates of us all. I lost my 2012 medical cert in Istanbul, and make the mistake of sending the FAA form requesting a duplicate. Did you tell the FAA you snore? You can be a Sport Pilot if you have never had your FAA medical denied. Robert Davis Travel Management Consultant, 2023 Executive Flyers +1 (512) 241-0795. What to do? In fact he asked me where did I see that I could make that attachment. No mercy from the FAA and I was not even allowed to go to a hearing I just got the notice of revocation one day and that was it. You can be fined up to $250,000 and jailed for five years for lying to the federal government. Its only a matter of time. What you dont want to do is lie. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis.. I am going to start a letter campaign to ask the people who can make this happen (our elected officials), to get behind it and make it happen quickly. Returning home, the Civil Aviation Medical Board cleared me for flying. Ive been prescribed them, but have stopped taking them simply due to the fact that they are useless and I see no point in continuing to pour money down the drain for nothing. I have informed my regular doctor to please clear with me anything they might write in my record, as it could affect my FAA medical. TO LOW TO BAIL SO HAD TO TO FLY IT DOWN . You have to be careful what you ask for. Otherwise I tend to be so healthy that I simply wouldnt ever go to the doctor. He issued my medical with a waiver. In this age of fax machines, email, twitter, facebook, linked in, etc, it is obvious that the FAA is stuck in the past. Should that person be allowed to self-certified medically and carry as many as 5 passengers? good for 2 years. I served 6 years with the U.S. Secret Service, protecting POTUS and his family. then are able to re-apply. Some Pilots tend to lie some just do not get medicals. Assuming you appropriately responded to one of these three questions, your application was likely deferred and the FAA sent you a letter, requesting medical records. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. Compared to all causes of death, these are infinitesimal numbers. Under the new regulation, when the first class privileges expire after twelve months, the first class medical lapses to a third class medical. If I have the big one in the seat here is what will happen: 1. the more you say no the more you are hurting your own self. One assault charge, not so much. Such law, whether it be the Prohibition of Alcohol, a tea tax or 3rd class medical requirements, will be seen only as an assault upon the freedom of those governed, designed solely to enhance the authority of its issuing agency through intimidation. If its temporary, shaddup about it. Told the truth, The FAA took my license. In my opinion the medical standards of evaulating pilots needs to be changed in light of new treatments. All medical certificates are valid for 60 months, unless youre 40 or older the day you get it (then its 24 months). Military veterans should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. After 30 years without a problem, one would think the risk of incapacitation is no greater than the general pilot population flying on a normal class III medical. I am probably am the only one who will answer that I like to go for the medical because if forces me to go to the doctor. If the FAA finds out that you failed to disclose something that you should have disclosed, not only does it mean that you can lose your license, but you may also face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. I understand why a lot of this stuff, like the sport pilot initiative, takes so long and always falls short, but cmon, this one is easy and its gonna bite them in the ass. You can ask the Civil Aerospace Medical Institute for statistics on fatalities in which medical conditions were either the direct cause or a contributing factor. Be careful that if you have seen your doctor and are responding yes to question 19 and your doctor diagnosed you with ADHD (or suggested that you had ADHD), you will also likely need to respond yes to question 18m. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. Its a losing game. 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